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“Not the Project Itself Is Important” – an Interview with Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez

Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez is a passionate project enthusiast with 25 years of project management experience. He was our keynote speaker for the 2021 3PMO Event in June and I could not pass the opportunity to interview him. He is publishing a new book with the pristine Harvard Business Review in October, so be sure to get his latest book soon. But let us get to it!

Who Are You, Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez?

- “A global citizen with passion for project management. I have lived around the world and worked with many PMO’s. I am also a teacher, educator and writer. I love sharing and helping people getting better. I aim for simplification and elevation of project management.”
Nieto-Rodriguez has called our brains masochists, he talked about this for example in his TEDx Talk in 2015. This affects the success of companies’ and individual professionals. I asked him how to turn our brains out of negativity:

- “I have found out that focusing on what to do, what is the goal, helps companies to succeed. Focusing also makes happier employees. Our brains attend to stick to negativity (this is what ‘our brains are masochists’ means). We need to know and understand this – you can, however, train your brain to be focused and thinking positive. This is also linked to resilience: Train your brain to move forward. Focus on good. Just like in anything, like going to the gym, you need to train, practise and that is how you get better.”

Finding Your Purpose and Passion, and How to Keep It

Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez found his purpose and passion after a dramatic event: he got fired. A disruptive change as he would call it. This is not an easy situation. Later it is easier to say it was a learning experience but when it happens, it can be hard. In his case he saw the meaning and importance of project management but failed to make it understood in his place of employment.

- “Think about yourself, rearrange, learn, and use this as an opportunity to find side paths: write a book, do non-profit volunteering, etc. One thing you will never get back in life is time – invest your time better! Slowly you start seeing new paths and opportunities.”
Looking back now, Nieto-Rodriguez would not be doing today what he is if he had not been fired.
But how does he keep his purpose and passion alive? Mainly because every project is different: you learn new things constantly. That you can do in very few professions. So, he will never get bored of projects.

There are, despite of all the knowledge, a lot of failed, bad projects. And there is never a routine project. Nieto-Rodriguez loves to do research and learn new things (which keeps it interesting too). According to his own and other research, we are moving towards project economy. But there is still work to be done in making projects better.

Making Your Ideas Work for Others

As said in the beginning, Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez loves to give back and share. He is preaching enthusiastically about “Project Manifesto” in presentations and writings. The Manifesto has many followers and supporters, so I had to ask about this too. What is the purpose and meaning of The Manifesto to PM professionals?

- “Many professions had a manifesto but not project professionals. Why not? Why PMs are not united? So, I thought to give it a try. It is all about how projects are in the centre of making a change happen. It is a way of cooperating and making PM professionals more visible and recognisable.”, Nieto-Rodrigues says.
And his Project Manifesto is one attempted answer to this missing piece. The work for Project Manifesto continues to this day – it now lives on in social media where all project professionals can leave their ideas to be added to it. Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez has also written a best-seller book: The Project Revolution, published in 2019, which has three targets:

  1. Senior management: to make them understand the importance of projects and project management.
  2. A tool for those who work in project management but are not project professionals: helping them select the right projects to work on.
  3. To increase the leadership and strategic perspective of project professionals, which are often seen as technical people.
He wants project management to have more connection with stakeholders and common sense. To focus more on benefits. Benefits should be the main priority (in projects). He often tells his students to describe their project as if they were presenting them to executive management without using the word “project” at all – so they can move from “being a project” towards “benefits”. This helps to understand that benefits, not the project itself, are important.



A New Book Released This Autumn

Next big thing for Nieto-Rodriguez is a new book, published by Harvard Business Review. He is very excited to have it published as HBR only publishes selected publications. Getting recognised by HBR is a big deal and he wishes this will boost PM professionals on a new level.

The book is a refreshed version of The Project Revolution. It is addressed to senior leaders and project managers. It has more tools for working with projects, such as 10 tough questions to ask from every project leader. The book wants to reinvent project management. Failure rate in project industry is one of the highest of any industry and we cannot continue like that. So, a lot needs to change in project management which is a highly entwined profession and Nieto-Rodriguez’s hope is that people will learn from this book.



Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez

Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez is a leading expert in project management, recognized by Thinkers50 with the prestigious award “Ideas into Practice.” He is an advisor, professor and author of four books, the latest HBR Project Management Handbook. Former Chairman of the Project Management Institute, he is the founder of Projects & Co, and co-founder of the Strategy Implementation Institute and the global movement Brightline.


Text: Else Halttunen, Project Professionals Finland
Photos: Antonio Nieto-Rodriguez